旼컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� � Xine - issue #5 - Phile 005 � 읕컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� Here goes the interview i made in September'2k to Benny, member of the group 29A. There is only one mistake: when he says 29A is the best group. Ofc0z i don't agree, iKx is the best one X-P There was an interview previous to this one made by me to him, but one year ago. As it was outdated, i rewritten the questions and he answered politely. iKX> Billy Belcebu/iKX B> Benny/29A Interview with Benny/29A [Take 2] 컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� iKX> Hello Benny, it's time to introduce yourself to our readers ;) B> Well, hello readerz, my handle is Benny, I'm member of 29A group and I like to code cool viruses... iKX> All the interviews always have the same question. This is a requeriment, as we always want to know it about all our mates from the scene. Well, as you are intelligent, you are expecting this... Why did you choose your nick? Have you ever used another nicks? What do you like and what you dislike of your nick? B> When I started to explore the Internet, I used many nicknamez. But when I entered the scene, I already used nickname "Benny" for about one year. Benny is the name of singer of group I liked that time. I wanted to change my nickname to some "underground" name, but the first time I connected to IRC I accidently typed "Benny" (again!) and everybody remembered me as "Benny". Then I could not change that back :) I think "Benny" is very neutral nickname, nothing like "H4x0rKiNg" lame-style and I like to use it. I don't think I'll ever change my nickname. iKX> Well, when we are talking with someone in IRC we make an image in our mind about how would be his face... So, please clear the ideas of our readers... describe yourself phisically, please :) B> Ok dokey... I was born in 1982 in spring, so you can calculate how old I am now. I have brown hairs, blue-green eyes, I'm something between 180 and 190 centimeterz tall... I'm normal sexy czech guy :P iKX> You've already told how ugly you are. Just kidding :P Now it's time to describe your "inner" person, ie, describe yourself morally, politically, socially, philosophically... Also we want to know what you do in your real life... study, work, etc :) B> Oh, this will be really long answer :) Ok, so, morally, I'm very liberal perfectionistic guy... becoz of many drugs I like to think about shit, about nonsence thingz, sometimez with melancholic, sometimez with happy mood :) My problem is that I think more than is healthy, sometimez I would like just to STOP thinking. My thinking often bringz me some problems. Weird, heh? :) Politically? Hmmm, my opinion is that people MUST change themself (their thinking) if they don't want to die... this world is going to die. Communism, capitalism, everything is just mirror of ppl's soul, another political system simply can't save the world. If there could exist the worst political system, even it would work very well if ppl wouldn't be bitchez. Communism can't work, simply can't, becoz ppl are simply bitchez. Perhaps there must come some apocalypse or such thing that could change humen, then we can survive - when ppl won't be able to breath becoz of poluted air, then ppl will start to think about the nature. When ppl will be dieing becoz of war, then they will start to think about humanity. There could come only some miracle to change this destiny :( This time (autumn 2000) I study the last year of high-school specialised to Information Technologies (ITs)... I hate this school becoz there are very stupid teacherz - they know absolutely NOTHING about computerz - and I hate when idiot is "above" me... I'm looking forward to finish this school, go to Amsterdam (to get better mood and experiment with drugs AGAIN :) and then find some job here, in Czech Republic...:P iKX> When did you have your first experience with viruses? What motivated to do them? Describe the feeling of creating life to our readers :) B> My father's computer was infected by many viruses and I had some antivirus on a diskette (I knew NOTHING about computerz that time). That AV deleted every infected file (= every system file :) and the computer couldn't work. My father was very angry - that was the first experience with viruses. Some yearz after that, I learned computerz at school and I heard about viruses. I wanted to know to code them, becoz it sounded very interesting to me - also, I liked to read about viruses in virus encyclopedias. After many months of researching, coding, reading, learning assembler, processor, operating system... one lamer became the most famous virus coder in Czech Republic... you decide how gewd am I in virus coding now. I really like to code viruses... it's very good feeling to finish the virus and see how ppl like that. Really very good feeling... iKX> Ok, we know now your reasons. Please tell us what viruses have you done, and add your description about all them :) Don't cut'n'paste them from AVPVE! X-D Btw, tell me the reason of each one of their names, your mental state when doing them, all that involved its developement, etc... B> Oh, fuck, I've coded 10 viruses (autumn 2000) and you want the description of all of them? X-D I'll describe only the bests of the bests viruses I have done, Ok? So... Win98.BeGemot: the name come from Bible and means some terrible animal, the ground variant of Leviathan (the variant of devil living in the sea). I included there maaaany techniques I really liked... but the best is, I think, that it can communicate with user by external communication console. You can monitor it, "talk" with it and set some parameters to it. I like this idea - you can talk with your baby. Win98.Yobe: This is the first cluster virus (Dir-II virus mechanism) for Windows. It includes many anti-* techniques (e.g. Ring0 threads) and as AVP says, its very interesting from the technical point of view and I believe them :) I spent many hours coding that and I hope you like it... it's my Amsterdam VX meeting's virus, I had very good mood... I met so many nice ppl, I fell in love in Amsterdam, I was st0ned all the time... oh, fuck, this virus presents all good things that happened to me in 1999 year... The name comes again from Bible :) Win32.Vulcano: Very kewl virus imho. Its the first virus with InterProcess Communication abilities (multi-process virus). All instances of virus can communicate between each other... if the virus wants to infect the file, it says another virus to do that. Its very strong anti-* technique, becoz the virus does nothing... nothing in current process, but everything in another process :) This virus is perhaps still very difficult to analyse, becoz AVerz still haven't released the description...:P I chose the name when I was watching some document about Vulcans in Hawaii, dunno why :) Win2k.Installer:The first Windows 2000 MSI cavity infector, coded together with Darkman on our vx meeting in his house in Denmark. I'm sure you already heard about it, the virus is famous same as Win95.Boza. In Darkman's house there was one big chocolate of hash and I smoked it all - in this "mood" I coded all my parts of virus :)) That time I broke up with girl, however, I like to remember that atmosphere. The name is "Installer" becoz it can (as a first virus) infect MSIs - Microsoft Installer filez. Win2k.Stream: The most famous virus in Czech Republic, coded together with Ratter in his flat. It presents the "stream companion" technique based on NTFS file system. Very primitive, but very innovative virus :) The name is becoz it uses "streamz" - new feature in NTFS. Win32.HIV: Right now, the virus is still not finished, I'm waiting for Darkman - he promised me to code some stuff for that. It bringz "brand-new", "never seen before" advanced Win32 techniques. Just look at that. Why "HIV"? Becoz its the most famous virus... I downloaded some animations and pictures about HIV and I really like this one. In fact, its very interesting virus. iKX> Why did you decided to join 29A? When did you do that? B> 29A is known as the best VX group ever. I wanted to be in the best group; do you remember how I told you that I'm perfectionist - whatever I do, I want to be perfect and the best. I joined 29A in the spring of 1999, after I finished some interesting viruses. iKX> What group of the VX scene you like more (apart from 29A ;) ? And what coder? B> Yeah, I really l0ve 29A :) Apart of it, I like iKX. These groupz are imo the best in the scene. What coder I like most? I really like GriYo's work, his ideas are really fantastic. iKX> And outside the scene... what group/individual you like more? B> The human I really like the most is "Timothy Leary" - the propagator of drugs (mainly of mushrooms and LSD) in the hippies age. IMHO he was a genius, his death is really big lost for this world. iKX> What is your favourite virus? Why? What kind of virus do you like more, megainfectors or very small viruses? B> The virus must be original. It can be very small (hello Super :) or it can be very big (hello Prizzy :), but it must show some new techniques or ideas... then I like it. If the virus is average, I don't like it. I don't have any favourite virus... I like some viruses and some viruses I don't like... I can't remember any name of "the best" virus... iKX> Now the question you are all waiting for... Really, here is it. What's your viewpoint about the everytime discussed "perfect virus" theme? B> Perfect virus? Heh, the virus that can become undetectable, that can spread very fast on every machine (without user activity), virus that can communicate between other variants of viruses, update itself and virus that you can control, monitor... yeah, this is a dream. However, my project I'm working on right now is the similar kind of worm that will be able to do "almost" everything described above. But it won't be ever perfect virus, becoz everytime you can code something "better". And if something can be done better, its not perfect. iKX> Where do you think the VX scene is heading to? What will be next revolutionary step in the field of virus creation? B> When someone will invent any way how to code virus/worm with artifical inteligence... but it will take some time... iKX> What do you think about those scandals that hit the scene some months ago? (Melissa, U.S. closed SOK and CB's site, VBS.LoveLetter shit, etc). Do u think this is the next step of the USA for control the information in internet? Do you see it as an attack to the freedom of speech? B> USA is piece of shit! USA tries to control the world, but there is a small problem - 90% of american ppl are idiots. Napster scandal, RIAA shit is the proof. USA is like old USSR, not with red hammer, but with white starz, thats the only difference. I HATE USA. WHY? I HATE IDIOTIC PPL. THATS WHY I HATE USA. Heh, do you know that in manuals for microwave owens there MUST be attention that animals should not be dried in owen...? becoz many idiots did it, they won the court and the companies had to pay them. Ain't that stupid? My aunt lives in L.A. She told me, that there are so many idiots, that its almost impossible to be truth. She told me, that if there is any smart guy, theres no problem be be called as a genius... between blind ppl, one-eyed is the king... Is it truth? You decide! FUCK OFF USA! I don't like when the idiot says what is smart and what is not... USA tries to do that :/ iKX> Should viruses be illegal? Should coders be jailed? (Mwahahah!) :) Is it illegal in your country? B> Illegal is to spread the viruses, not to code them. And becoz I don't spread viruses, I don't have problems with justice. Problems will come when I will be really famous in .cz, then the police will try to jail me - "exemplary case" - just to show that police is not inactive. Police does not need any reason, they just need to want :( Thats bad. Viruses should NOT be illegal. IMO if ppl would be smart, viruses would have NO chance to spread. But becoz the ppl are NOT smart, they need some laws to protect them before things that are smartER then them. iKX> As i can read inside you, i guess you were in the VX'99 meeting that took place in Amsterdam... (phuck, i envy u!). Also you were one of the main impulsors of the VX'2k meeting in Brno, Czech Republic. Well, tell our readers your feelings when you met with so "strange" people :) Did you imagined them as they were? What did you do (related to vx, we all know you all got st0ned, and drunk as hell)? :P B> Hehe, yeah, we got always stoned and drunk as hell :) Yeah, I was the main organisator of VX'2k meeting in Brno, becoz I live there. Every day we smoked a hash and drank many beerz (hi Gigz :)... I really enjoyed that (if you want to know more about our meeting, look at my page: http://benny29a.cjb.net, there you can find long article about that meeting). We did almost nothing except using various drugz :) However, on the meeting at Ratter's home we coded together Win2k.Stream virus, which is very famous in .cz. My feelingz? It was fantastic, to meet all those ppl from IRC in the real life... I didn't imagine them as they were... no, noone could :) I wish we, ALL VXerz, should meet one day each other... one BIG world-wide meeting... uthopy? iKX> We know that a sucker made a "fake" version of your Win32.Leviathan, here you can tell him "some" things... C'mon! B> Heh. You lamer! You think you are smart? You think you are boss when you just changed the text inside my virus? Hahah, you showed us that you are not smart, you are simply idiot that is sooo stupid that he can't code his own proggy. You suxx man...! Thanx Billy, it's much better now :) iKX> What makes you to be still alive? What are your hobbies and interests in the so called "real-life" (if it there is one of those)? B> I still believe my life has a sense. I wanted to be someone and now I think I am... And hey! I still haven't coded so called "perfect virus", I still must live and do that :) I like to code, I like internet, underground, cyberspace, my friends from VX scene... I don't like the drugs... but the drugs like me :) iKX> How do you use to code? (stoned, music, cigarretes, etc) B> I really like to code when I am stoned with good psychedelic music... throw all my problems away and concentrate myself only on one thing. When I code I smoke cigarettes, weed and/or hash (if I have any)... it bringz me many ideaz I couldn't get without that... in my country theres problem to find a good weed, thats a problem :/ iKX> Do you think your existence without viruses? Do virus coding changed your life? If so, in what things? B> Yeah, it ABSOLUTELY changed my life. I have many new friends, I understand computerz (I can get job easier than without my knowledges), I better understand this shitty world... I can't imagine what freak I would be me without VX scene... iKX> Do the near people to u know that you create life without ejaculations? B> And who said that I create life only without ejaculation? :D Just kidding X-D Yeah, unfortunatelly, my friends knows who is "Benny", becoz I used "Benny" nick before I entered the scene. And many ppl, schoolmates, parents, friends of my friends know it too... I know it can bring me problems in a future, but I can't do anything with that now... I'm type of human which wants to present his opinion in public. I think virus coding is gewd thing, but my problem is that I have a need to explain it to everyone I meet... iKX> Mmm... ok, let's imagine you'll have to spend a full night of sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, but you only can choose to spend that night with: a) Sarah Gordon b) Patti Hoffman c) Natalya Karsperskaya d) a+b+c all together in an orgy (Eugene will be watching also ;) e) Retch f) IntelServ g) Retch penetrating IntelServ, and IntelServ fucking you also ;) B> Hmmmm, lemme think :DD I would choose a)... I would like to show Sarah Gordon how can "the typical virus writer" FUCK... then she could profile us better :) iKX> Ok, another difficult question :) What would you do if you are working in an AV company and they tell you to write the disinfection routine of your latest virus? ;) B> Hmmm, I would write it... my hobby would be also my job, what else do you need in yer life? :) iKX> What do you think of the barrier present between the both sides of the scene (AV and VX)? Is the future of almost every coder to finish in an AV company? B> AVerz work for money, we work becoz its our hobby. What is better? If you could work becoz its your hobby and get paid for that. However, AVerz have to present themself in another way - "Look at those idiots, they code viruses! Be smart and download our newest antivirus to protect yourself against those freax!" If it will not change, I will never work for AV company. AV = money. More lies = more money. No hobby, only money. I dont think this is the dream of every virus writter. However, virus writters understand viruses and their knowledges can be useful... in many IT companies, not only in AV ones. iKX> Do you think it's a "moral" act infect other people? What do you think about destructive payloads? B> In a short words: I dont infect computerz of other people and I dont like destructive viruses, becoz it loox lame to me. iKX> What's your viewpoint on macro viruses? And what about the VCK (Virus Creation Kits)? And what about the new breed of internet viruses made with VBS and such? B> Yeah, the same. I dont like macro viruses, becoz todays macroviruses are lame. VCKs? Who needs them? Who use them? Why ppl code them? I dont know. iKX> Well, most of us don't know a shit about your country,the Czech Republic (besides that your football national selection was a finallist in the Euro'96 championsip). Tell us something about living there, what is your viewpoint on the pseudo-communism you had (till recently, as far as i know), what's your place in that society (high/medium/poor class), and such like. Yes, we're curious :) B> Huh... my country is not very well known, even we frequently win almost every ice-hockey championship, we have the best beer in the world, we are in the center of Europe, even Madlain Albright was born in Czech Republic; noone know us... thats a pity... if you will ask some american guy where is Czech Republic, he will probably answer that its in the east Europe, some part of Russia or such shit. We are not in east Europe, we are right in the center...:/ Becoz we lived for more than 40 yearz in communism, ppl's morality is spoiled. Everybody is searching for money, becoz everybody did it before 10 yearz - in 1989 the communism broke and the capitalism came. All ppl know, that "who does not steal does break family". That's the opinion of many ppl here, everybody tries to earn big money (whatever way) and leave .cz. But becoz of that, becoz of 50 yearz we are getting pissed off everyday, we have a big potential, potential of knowledge, art and abilities... that's why almost every czech freak that goes to foreign country find very good job - he's smart and he find a country that finds his knowledges useful... many rich countries (USA, Germany, ...) use us as a cheap geniuses :/ My place in society? I think I'm in the medium class. My parents are not poor, but they earn money and don't invest in me... if I want something, I must earn money, go to work or wait for x-mas :) iKX> Where would you like to make a travel? And where would you like to live? B> Amsterdam, Amsterdam and again Amsterdam! I visited Amsterdam two timez and I will visit it again. I L0VE Ansterdam and I would like to live there. iKX> What VXer(s) would you like (most) to meet in the real life? B> I would like to meet all VXerz from Spain... till now I met only a few ppl from Spain and they were all wonderful ppl. I believe the rest is the same, thats why I would like to meet with them. Apart of that, Spain is another drug-center of Europe, so... :) iKX> Have you any experience (or interest) in any other activity of the underground stuff like Hacking, Cracking, etc? B> Hmmm, I play a bit with Hacking, becoz hacking Windows machines is very similar to writing viruses. If you hack, you do almost everything... If you write viruses, viruses do your work. Thats not big difference. Thats a shame that VXerz and hackerz don't have closer relation... however, in my country every journalist call me "hacker"... iKX> It seems that scene is living a revolution coming from your country, the Czech Republic. Prizzy, Ratter, m0rt, youself... What do you think about the virus-scene in your country? Do you think it will stay growing? Or it is already in the zenith? B> Hmmm, in Czech Republic there are many hackerz and virus writerz, but they usually do all work "incognito", you'll never hear about such guyz two timez - and they usually don't hack/infect computerz, they are just learning... Only some hackerz and virus writerz stay in the scene for longer time, such those guyz you named above :) Czech Republic has a great potential, same as Slovakia... much bigger than USA, for instance. That's becoz of environment, were we live, becoz of our past and present political system, becoz of mentality of our ppl... I believe, one time, when I will leave the scene, there will be many virus writerz that could take my place. Ratter is the type of guy that can do that. He's very talented... iKX> Ok, i think it's enough for today, don't you? :) So, this interview (it seems an interrogatory instead) is reaching its end. It's your time, you can greet someone, say whatever you want to say... See ya! B> Yeah, very long interview... I hope your readerz weren't bored while they were reading this... Also I would like to thank all ppl that were in the meeting in Brno for very nice time, and also Rajaat - after the meeting I went to visit Amsterdam - I stayed in his house, where we had big fun, full of VX and psychedelic drugs :) Thank you all! C ya in the VX heaven :)  Well, that's all f0lkz. I hope you liked the interview with this great coder of this new millennium. He's one of the greatest guyz i met in IRC... Well, babes, see yah in another articlez of this great and always impressive Xine! 컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴 (c) Billy Belcebu/IKX [21/09/00] "i'm not a terrorist. i'm an artist" � URL � www.billybelcebu.org - http://billy.ikx4ever.org � EMAIL � billy_belcebu@mixmail.com - billy_belcebu@ikx4ever.org � IRC � irc-hispano #virus, undernet #ikx