Frisk Goes Commercial It seems Frisk has been selling out. The Knights of Chaos are distributing a Virus Collectors Kit with a bunch of AV utilities as well as some Zines and mostly binary viruses. Neural Nightmare got a hold of a message sent to his sysadmin from frisk@complex.is. The message spoke of a "grey-list" Frisk is in possession of, and how he is banning all these sites from his ftp site, the datafellows WWW page as well as bbs and ftp site. The sites on the grey list are undisclosed but he threatened to add kaiwan.com to the list unless the sysadmin stopped the "Virus Exchange" at their site. The sysadmin laughed it off, so kaiwan.com has been added to the said grey list. As far as Frisk let on in his letter, the sites on the grey list are those with poor security [by Frisk's standards] or those who offer viruses through anonymous login. The final part of the letter expressed his concern against the "Virus Exchange Underground". He strongly feels that virus exchange leads to nothing but more viruses. [awwww] I tried to get Frisk to talk to me about this by way of e-mail, but I received no response. The letter I sent to him (3 times) is at the end of this document. Not that it seems really new, but Frisk has just added his name to the list up there with John McAfee and Patty Hoffman. He has decided to sell out and force his morals on others. Well, there it is... It also seems that the Official Anti-Virus software of Windows 95 is F-Prot Gatekeeper. Here is a smeg from datafellows: -=-=-=-=-=-=-start smeg-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- *Data Fellows announces F-PROT Gatekeeper -the world's first proactive [?] anti-virus utility for Microsoft Windows -- 10 November, 1994 Data Fellows has announced today the world's first truly effective proactive anti-virus utility for Microsoft Windows. The new utility is part of the F-PROT Professional package. F-PROT is a multiple award winner in anti-virus reviews and tests around the world. F-PROT Gatekeeper is a native device driver for Windows, which uses the award winning Secure Scan [no heurustics?] scanning technology to scan all executed or copied files. F-PROT Gatekeeper works for both Windows applications and DOS applications. The main difference between F-PROT Gatekeeper and the old DOS anti-virus TSRs is that the DOS TSRs are restricted to using only the least memory consuming and simplest methods to detect viruses. F-PROT Gatekeeper is able to use a full size scanning engine which detects all possible viruses. As more and more of the modern viruses are polymorphic or encrypting, the ability to decrypt viruses for identification is of central importance. For example, most anti-virus TSRs have trouble finding the famous Mutation Engine (MtE) viruses or the SMEG viruses. F-PROT Gatekeeper is able to find all the known viruses on the fly. From now on it is not necessary to protect a computer actively and still remain in doubt whether all viruses would be found. With F-PROT Gatekeeper all viruses will be found before they have a chance to activate. "This is a very important step in the fight against the polymorphic and encrypting viruses", says Risto Siilasmaa, managing director of Data Fellows. -=-=-=-=-=-=-end smeg-=-=-=-=-=-=- Well, Frisk has pocketed a pretty penny I'm sure for that sale. The problem with big companies though is that they can't keep up with the rapidly growing viruses.. F-Prot 2.17 was a couple of weeks late.. Hmmmmm... At any rate, Frisk is holding hands with John McAfee and pocketing his earnings while putting down the virus exchange. We'll see how GateKeeper works out and see the future of Frisk Intl. SCREECH!NG WEASEL Dear Sir: This letter is in regard to the "grey list" you made reference to about the virus distribution made available at kaiwan.com. I felt strongly compelled to comment about your actions concerning disallowing the users from kaiwan.com access to your ftp site, WWW site, and personal technical support. When I was informed about your actions concerning the public distribution of the Virus Collector Kits, I was more than appalled. While it is obvious you cannot support the creation of computer viruses, it seems hypocritical to try to diminish their public distribution. The University I attend is currently a customer of Frisk Intl., and uses F-Prot as their main source of anti-virus protection in all of their academic computer labs. My question to you is this: If I were to offer computer viruses for research via anonymous ftp or other means, would my school, a customer of Frisk Intl., also be included on the said "grey list"? I am curious about the integrity of Frisk Intl, curious enough to "try out" your threats of being denied support from Frisk Intl. Where do you draw the line between public/customer support, and your personal feelings about virus distribution. I also feel compelled to point out you're freely offering disassembled source of particular viruses. I would readily consider this "virus distribution" and view it as hypocrisy on your part, at best. I hopefully await a response concerning this matter. If you would prefer to speak rather than communicate via e-mail, I would be more than happy to make any arrangements you see fit. Please, consider this query, and reply with an appropriate response. sweasel@netherlands.ypsi.mi.us P.S. nether.net is now banned from the following sites: bbs.datafellows.fi http://www.datafellows.fi ftp.complex.is ftp.datafellows.fi